Curse

Enko · Mar 16, 2007, 04:16 PM // 16:16

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Originally Posted by Kuldebar Valiturus

I think if some of the skins were updated, people might be able to accept the costs. But, high cost for something and it not being unique is kind of lame.

I got some armor made in Kaineng City and 1.5 Platinum PLUS the materials was a killer.... 4 Monstrous Claws and for just the head gear, OMFG! It just hurt that the Claws were 850 gold each from the Rare Materials Vendor. And this is the cheap stuff!

I have a bunch of 20's but I can't seem to accrue gold on any of them. I get 6-7k and then <poof> it's gone.

I don't see a set of 15k armor in my future. :/

try holding onto your gold instead of spending it. just stick with the cheap stuff you can get. i didn't start actually using my gold until i got to around 300-400k (where I could actually start trading). takes money to make money so power trading is the way to go if you have the gold base to start off.

As for the weaponsmiths, the 5k price is fine as you can just drop in, get the weapon, and that's it. Collector's take time to gather the materials and greens take time to farm for them. Of course you can always spam to trade for these things but that takes time as well. If I needed a max weapon of specific stats, I would rather be able to get it from the weaponsmith in 1 minute then waste my time trying to gather it when I make so much more money in the time saved.

The Herbalizer · Mar 16, 2007, 04:49 PM // 16:49

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Originally Posted by MirageMaster

I always do.Whats it to you? got money from ebay to pay for crap weapons 5k each?

Ive seen a few of your posts and some are rude and ignorant. For your information I used to buy weapons from the weapon smith when I was a complete newb and I thought 5k was entirely reasonable. Clearly I must have bought my gold from ebay...

/not signed. 5k isnt alot if you dont waste your gold.

RSGashapon · Mar 16, 2007, 06:06 PM // 18:06

Another idea shot down by the GW Elite...

I really don't know anymore why I try to suggest ideas to improve this game for those of us who aren't virtual millionaires. The only reply I get on the matter is "No, it's fine the way it is." Well you know what? No it obviously isn't fine if so many people agree with me. Certain items in this game cost too much and it needs to change.

Not all of us can spend hour after hour farming or power selling, we have lives outside this game. We sit down and enjoy it for a few hours, every other day or so. Despite what some say, you cannot earn 5-6k "with any profession in 5-6 minutes", unless you're a super-efficient farmer or run some kind of bot program.

And neither am I saying I should get everything in this game for free. Yes, there should be some work involved. But when 80% of your work goes to either other party members or AI henchmen, then you have to work that much harder to make any kind of difference in your own coffers. A lot of us don't have that kind of time!

Bottom line is weapon smiths cost too much, period. Leave the "prestige" armor prices alone, leave the material traders and skill trainers be, but for basic, useful equipment the prices must come down!

I'm not trying to sound rude, not trying to be a jerk or appear ignorant and certainly not pulling out the 'eBay card'. I'm just voicing my opinion on a topic that I, and many others, think is unbalanced and unfair.

Thargor · Mar 16, 2007, 06:08 PM // 18:08

While I agree that 5K seems abit much for a generic skin weapon I can't agree that it is alot of money. I see people saying that money is hard to come by all the time but I really don't understand how they find it so hard.
A couple of hints that I find helpfull.
1. Pick up all of your drops.
2. ID all of your white drops that are worth ~50g.
3. Pick up anyone elses drops that they leave behind if you are in the same area long enough for the assignment to go away.
4. If you run out of inventory space start salvaging some of the white drops to make more space.

By using the above tips myself I make alot of money. ID'ing white stuff actually increases the value and I make roughly an extra 2-2.5K per superior id kit. So I spend 500g and make 2-2.5K, not a bad profit.
I love people that leave their white junk drops behind. They are the people that are making me rich.
As an example I made an assassin three days ago. She already has a set of 15K Kurzick armor that was completly funded from her own gains, not one gold coin came from my storage. No farming was involved, just playing smart and useing the tips i posted above.

The weaponsmiths are fine the way they are. But, I will agree that the skins they offer are in serious need of an update.

EDIT:I realize that there are people that have nowhere near the amount of time to play this game that I do. Therefore it may take many people alot longer than 3 days to afford a set of 15K armor. The tips still apply no matter how much time you have available though. I am not trying to be a jerk to anyone that actually has a life and doesnt spend countless hours on GW like I do!

eggs0wn · Mar 16, 2007, 06:12 PM // 18:12

/agree^

and /signed again

Strange Guy · Mar 16, 2007, 06:26 PM // 18:26

/notsign

Reason? Well everything in the game have its up/down prices! If those weapons can be bought cheaper then there will be a waste for some of the green out there. Noone will ever use it and sell it to merchant. Plus why does the green prices drop so bad? It's because people like us FARM too much. Prices are even lower than ever! Everything have its own value! Weapon Smith has its own price as well...can not lower something just for someone comfort!

Soul of the Scythe · Mar 16, 2007, 07:00 PM // 19:00

/notsigned

If greens are cheaper, then buy the green....

And chances are if a weaponsmith in a town is selling weapons that have max damage, you can probably go outside that town and kill a few things and find a max damage weapon out there.

You can get 3k and 4 mas dmg/def items in about 5 mins just look here. the first 4 u can run to solo maybe or just bring some henchies and have them kill. It says "Gold OR Purple" but i have only gotten gold items from them.

Hyper Cutter · Mar 16, 2007, 08:43 PM // 20:43

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

I think the point is that the 15^50 and 15 enchanted weapons are not inscribable. So basically, if you want one of those mods, buy from that trader; if you want any other mod, you need an inscribable weapon. I'm assuming the versatility of the inscribable collector weapon is supposed to make up for it not coming with a mod.

Thing is, the armor equivalent is cheaper than armor with a set bonus (1k vs 1.5k), so there is a precedent...

also, /signed for some variation in skins at crafters and collectors. Nothing particularly rare, of course, but it would be nice to see a little variety...

the_jos · Mar 16, 2007, 09:28 PM // 21:28

I don't think the prices of the weapon crafters should be lowered.
Of you want the weapon fast, you have to pay for it.
If you just want it and have time, get the comparable collectors weapon.
If you want it, but not that bad, just go kill stuff and wait till a nice weapon drops.

Atm, i'm waiting for a couple of lodestones to drop so I can get an offhand.
I can go buy the same offhand for 5K + crafting materials.
I don't buy the item because I don't need it right away and I know those lodestones will drop someday.
If I needed the offhand I'd buy for 5K.

It's quite possible to obtain a comparable offhand in a trade, for about 1K.
But then, I have to stand in town spamming in tradechat.
And hope for someone to sell.
I'd rather play.

Therefore I think the 5K + crafting is a good price for most items.

The Herbalizer · Mar 16, 2007, 10:00 PM // 22:00

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Originally Posted by RSGashapon

Another idea shot down by the GW Elite...

I really don't know anymore why I try to suggest ideas to improve this game for those of us who aren't virtual millionaires. The only reply I get on the matter is "No, it's fine the way it is." Well you know what? No it obviously isn't fine if so many people agree with me. Certain items in this game cost too much and it needs to change.

Not all of us can spend hour after hour farming or power selling, we have lives outside this game. We sit down and enjoy it for a few hours, every other day or so. Despite what some say, you cannot earn 5-6k "with any profession in 5-6 minutes", unless you're a super-efficient farmer or run some kind of bot program.

And neither am I saying I should get everything in this game for free. Yes, there should be some work involved. But when 80% of your work goes to either other party members or AI henchmen, then you have to work that much harder to make any kind of difference in your own coffers. A lot of us don't have that kind of time!

Bottom line is weapon smiths cost too much, period. Leave the "prestige" armor prices alone, leave the material traders and skill trainers be, but for basic, useful equipment the prices must come down!

I'm not trying to sound rude, not trying to be a jerk or appear ignorant and certainly not pulling out the 'eBay card'. I'm just voicing my opinion on a topic that I, and many others, think is unbalanced and unfair.

The point many are trying to make is it is not alot if you actually manage your gold properly. I am talking about not buying every colour dye to try out on your armour, buying a new set of armour at each available town, buying every skill you can etc. When I was lvling my new ranger on noob island in factions I got like 1k before I had hit level 6... Now by the time I hit level 20 I am 100% sure I can buy max al armour and weapon smith weapons.

Its like someone who is on benefits who goes out and blows all their money on crap then cries when they cant buy stuff they need i.e. food. If you dont buy unnecessary crap in guild wars YOU WILL DEFINATELY be able to afford the weaponsmith weapons. Heck from questing through factions which I have done I could quite easily buy 15k armour....

Malice Black · Mar 16, 2007, 10:07 PM // 22:07

You can make 5k by selling all your lame white/useless drops to the merch..in a day

5k is fine. Can't afford 5k? buy a max white weapon for 500-1k and customize it, that will give you the same dmg as an uncustomized 15^50

Caster items...use the collectors, I use collectors and I have plenty of money.

Kuldebar Valiturus · Mar 17, 2007, 12:46 AM // 00:46

In many ways, things would be equalized with the inclusion of an auction house function in the game.

We are closer to that reality now that we have a Trade List function in the game, but your listing goes away as soon as you portal or log out. Also, it's not even close to being searchable or reliable because the item info isn't linked.

If we had an Auction House, every player could make money more efficiently from the resale of items. At the moment the people making the big money are the one's that devote large periods of in-game time working the in-efficient in-game trade system. But, that system contributes to chat spam and fraud.

Get us an auction house with semi-permanent, linked item listings.

Much would be resolved.

RSGashapon · Mar 17, 2007, 01:11 AM // 01:11

Why are you assuming I don't know how to manage my gold budget? I am not one who wastes dyes or buys every armor set and skill conceivable. I just don't have the gold for these things period.

How can I blow money away when I don't even have it in the first place?

The Herbalizer · Mar 17, 2007, 02:04 AM // 02:04

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Originally Posted by RSGashapon

Why are you assuming I don't know how to manage my gold budget? I am not one who wastes dyes or buys every armor set and skill conceivable. I just don't have the gold for these things period.

How can I blow money away when I don't even have it in the first place?

If you dont have gold and are actually playing the game I think there is a problem. For the hell of it I leave a character with 0 gold then after I have finished questing and doing missions I see how much I have made. A while back my necro made 15k from standard drops alone in an afternoon of questing in Factions. 15k can buy you a set of 1.5k armour or a couple of weaponsmith items. Just doing alliance battles which may be fun to some can make you gold and you are not even grinding for it.

There are people who have posted on here how they have never farmed yet have FOW armour. Seems actually playing the game can get you gold

I find it hard to believe that you dont have any gold yet play the game

After helping guildies skill cap I usually end up with a couple of platinum. If you save this gold it adds up. By the time you have reached Droknars Forge you should be able to afford 1.5k armour. Then after doing all the quests and missions afterwards there is no reason why you could not buy 15k armour. Heck the first character I ever made managed to get 1.5k armour with no farming and that was with buying armour at every town.

Playing the game will get you gold end of. Anyone who cannot afford the most basic of items i.e. max al armour or max dmg weapons clearly is doing something wrong.

Operations · Mar 18, 2007, 04:22 AM // 04:22

I say yes and no.

Weapons need a sliding scale. 'clean' max weapons should be only 1K. Ones that come with inscriptions should be 3K.

MirageMaster · Mar 18, 2007, 05:45 AM // 05:45

Whats the point of crafters if noone ever uses them? lower prices or get rid of them!

linh · Mar 18, 2007, 04:15 PM // 16:15

No one ever used them ? ORLY ?

MithranArkanere · Mar 20, 2007, 06:39 PM // 18:39

I've asked many people. not only my guildies, allies and frienda, but in outposts and such.

NO ONE uses the crafters. That sucks.

So I had this idea some time ago:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...22#post2603922
I'm positive that idea would definitely make the crafters and option.

Enko · Mar 20, 2007, 08:21 PM // 20:21

no one uses the crafters? i beg to differ. I had pretty much only crafter items on most of my characters and heroes and i've only been switching them out as i replace them with items i find through normal play. i finally got rid of all the crafter items a couple of weeks ago with some more finds while trading.

the crafters are fine as is.
for 5k, you get:
max weapon with stats of your choosing
saved time

5k is fairly easy to make.

getting a gold weapon with stats of your choosing with a good skin will most likely cost you a lot more than 5k from another player. if you farm for it yourself, you're going to be investing time into it. its a trade off and it works out fine.

legion_rat · Mar 20, 2007, 11:18 PM // 23:18

drop the price of weaponsmith to 1-2k + materials
collectors dont give generic anymore, give nice but not godly skins.

this way if you want the better skin you collect or buy items. if you could give a damn about skins and just want the weapon you arent breaking the back for one. Alot of green items sell cheaper then crafters, cheaper would make them more useful and more used. If you were to go to someone irl under the same scenario you would get simple works are a regular crafter, a master crafter (now that worth 5k) would want something special as payment or a lot of money for rarer items.

did that make since or was i rambling?

~the rat~